I had thought my posting about Awana was completed, but I became aware of the “sermons” of top Awana Leaders at Summit 2007.
I am so appalled and grieved at the speakers ambivalent, conflicting, guilt-producing, and convuluted statements regarding God and His Word, and that they never told the group how great God is, how much He loves them and how they can have a relationship with God through Jesus Christ, and how the Holy Spirit and God’s Word will guide them—that I am compelled to say something.
Each night at Summit 2007, teams and volunteers celebrated a main session together focused on worship and growing in our walk with God.
Speakers: Kevin White, Greg Carlson, Art Rorheim and Greg Steir (whose message was not posted, but who you can learn about by a google search.)
This first post will be my observations and my comments (MC) on what Kevin White (24-7 Ministries manager) said.
Opening session: Kevin White
• Kevin used virtually no scripture except the word transforming mentioned in Romans 12:2. He used the word transform/change in a bit of a guilt trip in the sense that it sounded like they better change because it was in the Bible, but there was no explanation of how they could change.
• One of Kevin’s main emphasis was that knowing about someone is not the same as knowing somebody. He used examples of four students that were changed because they got to know God.
MC: There was no instruction to those listening to Kevin speak as to how they could get to know God.
• Kevin White said they would get to know Jesus the next four days.
MC: What happened, or what was taught to help them get to know Jesus? Kevin didn’t tell them in the talk I listened to.
• Kevin’s other major emphasis was that it isn’t an issue of being changed in the past, but being changed now and forever.
MC: Kevin does not tell how to know God or be changed.
•Kevin White said: Be changed forever by knowing God. We don’t say I was changed, but I am changed.
MC: What does this mean? Is this a continuing process? Is this a works thing? How do I get changed if not by coming to God as a sinner and accepting Jesus shed blood and payment of my sin? Are you telling me that when I asked Jesus forgiveness for my sin that I wasn’t changed? I am changed now, but I wasn’t then? What is he saying?
• Kevin White: It’s an issue of Knowing God and going out and doing something with it.
MC: What does that mean? Where is that in the Bible?
• Kevin White: May it be that you know God.
MC: He still hasn’t told us how to know God?
• Kevin White: Summit’s not about here and now; it’s about there and then.”
MC: What does “there and then” mean? Is that Ancient future talk?
• Kevin’s prayer ended—”amen”—he did not say “in Jesus Name.”
We can know GOD. He tells us how in HIS BOOK
“But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.”—1 Corinthians 2:14
“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”—1 John 5:20
“These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.”—1 John 5:13
“Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.”
—2 Corinthians 5:17
“But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.”—1 John 2:5
“And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.”—Ephesians 3:19